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Moofoo Pork · Oct 02, 2005, 05:29 PM // 17:29

I've been debating on which elite to use as a KD/AS war in tombs- earth shaker, devastating hammer, or backbreaker.

EARTH SHAKER- This skill works great in balls, and on altar maps, where everyone around you is kd'd and you've got that aftershock right after it. Adrenaline lowered to 8, but with FGJ(for great justice) you can get if off faster.

BACKBREAKER- The most important reason for you in the team is to keep the monk down and inerrupted. With backbreaker, you keep the monk down at least 4 secs(with sonefists) and ifyour fast enough, you can get a crushing and aftershock in.

DEVASTATING HAMMER- a simple knockdown where you dont lose all adrenaline, get a dmg bonus, and you add weakness. Aftershock right after this and then heavy blow when AS is recharged, AS again.

Can i get some advice? what would you reccomend?

carnivore · Oct 02, 2005, 05:34 PM // 17:34

i'd like to know to. right now i favor devasting and heavy blow but i use a powerattack/iresisteble(sp?) after devasting for a scare and then use heavy blow to interupt then an aftershock to finish up. but i'd like to know what the pros do

Dzan · Oct 02, 2005, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Devastating Hammer, but use Hammer Bash not Heavy Blow.

Ollj · Oct 02, 2005, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Backbreaker against monks.
Devastating Hammer against Warriors.
Earth shaker against Rangers.

that includes secondary classes.

Chev of Hardass · Oct 02, 2005, 07:20 PM // 19:20

If you are using Devestating follow with aftershock, then stoning. Damage plus another knockdown, yea!!!.

Bry-Guy · Oct 02, 2005, 07:32 PM // 19:32

aftershock, 10 energy
stoning, 15 energy
25 energy total, 30 if you use crushing

hammer wars=27 energy max, 26 with stonefists
thats a winning combo

if your using earthshaker, then go with aftershock for aoe bombing. if you use backbreaker or devastating i prefer using holy strike. the smite line gives much more versatility than earth with the hammer wars energy pool+energy requirements.

rii · Oct 02, 2005, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Well, ive been considering running dark fury on my warriors as of late, double adrenaline non-elite which is cheap considering its effect - i like it.

And with that in mind, I have to say earth shaker. Not only would it (probably) whip ass on the dais, it would charge in 4 strikes, and even not on the dais I find myself hitting multiple targets with as.

Devastating hammer lost its attractiveness as soon as my foes discovered mend ailment, so hammer bash got switched in.... and im left with 1 adren less than shaker.... but can only kd one person.... period. I dont see the point after taking out heavy blow, its too conditional and the only reason to take it was lower adren cost.... which has been rectified....

As for backbreaker, again, its single target only, and Im bowled away by potential multi as-ing. Whatsmore, 4s is total overkill. With stoneskin you get 3s, which should be more than enough to unload a spike.

Earth Shaker ftw.

Bast · Oct 02, 2005, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Stonefists don't affect Backbreaker.

A Hammer Warrior's job is to disrupt things through knocklock, so it makes sense to maximize that potential. The fastest charging knockdown chain that is least likely to fail consists of Devastating Hammer and Hammer Bash. With Stonefists, Devastating Hammer and Hammer Bash are both 3 second knockdowns. That's 6 seconds of knockdown for 7 adrenaline. Win.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ollj

Backbreaker against monks.
Devastating Hammer against Warriors.
Earth shaker against Rangers.

that includes secondary classes.

Lol? Have you ever played a hammer warrior?

smurfhunter · Oct 02, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31

idk i usually use devastating hammer just because i never seem to get backbreaker charged until way after i need it, and then when i use it, it gets blocked.

theres usually never a need to knockdown everyone near you, so unless you have some kind of special build in mind i wouldnt use earthshaker

Kraav · Oct 02, 2005, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Long time hammer warrior here.

Now that Earthshaker's adrenaline cost has been reduced it is the superior hammer elite.

Its AoE and it auto hits everyone in the aoe, for 1 more strike of adrenaline vs Devestating.

Add to the fact that Hammer Bash >> Heavy Blow period, there is no need to cause weakness meaning no need for Devastating.

Phades · Oct 02, 2005, 11:07 PM // 23:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bast

A Hammer Warrior's job is to disrupt things through knocklock, so it makes sense to maximize that potential. The fastest charging knockdown chain that is least likely to fail consists of Devastating Hammer and Hammer Bash. With Stonefists, Devastating Hammer and Hammer Bash are both 3 second knockdowns. That's 6 seconds of knockdown for 7 adrenaline. Win.

I dunno 1 more adrenalin for an AOE kd might be worthwhile.

Ollj · Oct 02, 2005, 11:07 PM // 23:07

what else is the weakness good for?

used Devastating Hammer against warriors.
they only laughted once.

Dovi the Monk · Oct 02, 2005, 11:18 PM // 23:18

ever since the new 8 adren change to earth shaker Ive been using it for AoE knockdown. It works great in tombs also especially on alter maps.

Moofoo Pork · Oct 02, 2005, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bast

Stonefists don't affect Backbreaker.

Are u serious? that blows, i thought stonefists would added to tat 4s kd time, but i never bothered to test it out. IMO, backbreaker is never really worth charging up, and its never ready when i need it. I think im staying with earth shaker

Eonwe · Oct 03, 2005, 12:01 AM // 00:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ollj

what else is the weakness good for?

used Devastating Hammer against warriors.
they only laughted once.

Uh, what?

smurfhunter · Oct 03, 2005, 12:34 AM // 00:34

what im wondering is what does 'laughted' mean

entropy · Oct 03, 2005, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ollj

what else is the weakness good for?

used Devastating Hammer against warriors.
they only laughted once.

Same as Eonwe&smurf but why in the world would you use earthshaker for rangers? Do rangers just all stand next to you or something? I'm not saying it won't work but why specifically target rangers? Why would a hammer warrior go for another warrior and I do have to say that earth shaker is by far the better choice. Devastating plus mighty blow is good for 4vs4 but not really suited for tombs. Earth shaker is great for cause you get the AS knockdown bonus. But if you want to just really taake down one target i would not reccomend aftershock. You could do the same amount of dmg with one hammer blow. Backbreaker just sucks. Sure it works o.k. But i tried using it and it just takes way to long to charge up. Never there when you want it to be.

smurfhunter · Oct 03, 2005, 01:21 AM // 01:21

just to argue on the other side for a second, *IF* earthshaker is like aftershock, i.e. it doesnt specifically target anyone, it could theoretically be alot better than any of the others because you cant "block" of "evade" it. and it would be great on altars. but im still using devastating hammer ^^

carnivore · Oct 03, 2005, 01:54 AM // 01:54

yea earthshaker for rangers cause some of them are stance addicts

Neo-LD · Oct 03, 2005, 02:01 AM // 02:01

fact is that you cant switch out for the best elite for any given target mid battle. you have to use the one thats best overall and best vs whatever class you are most likely to attack (monks), which is devastating hammer.